instructional salaries

[kikk]

The 07-08 salary schedule posted here http://www.pcta-pespa.org/files/instrsalary0708.pdf and the proposed salary schedule posted here http://www.pinellas.k12.fl.us/hr/compensation/SalarySchedules/09-10InsSalSchProposed.pdf clearly shows how we are going backwards NOT forwards (or even staying equal) with our salaries let alone with increases in the costs of insurance, gas, food, etc.
Any comments?

[dbe]

I calculated the difference in my salary and it is exactly $290.00 less for this year.

[teach one]

So visiting other districts...

In this district my proposed pay for the 09-10 year is $59,580.

But what if I worked elsewhere...

In Polk, for the 08-09 year - $54,175

In Broward, for the 08-09 year - $71,250

In Dade, for the 09-10 year - 67,225

In Orange for the 08-09 year - 61,560

Just a tour around the state - Hillsborough and Sarasota($49,734) were about the same...Interesting...

[Natasha]

I will make 350.00 less this year. (top step so there's no where for me to go!)

[smile]

2008-2009 Step 23 with Masters = $61,050
2009-2010 Step 24 with Masters = $ 56,510

This is a $4540 cut in pay. New steps are added. There are serious problems with the proposed salary schedule. I hope the bargaining committee is aware.

[Karmamama]

$890 less this year. OUCH!

[kikk]

07-08 year 19 46,020
09-10 year 19 45,130

This is without even considering adding a year of experience since I am not sure what is happening with that. This would be a $890 PAYCUT. I thought the referendum cut was around $300. Both of these schedules also say this is for 198 days of teaching service with six paid holidays. What happens when we add furlough days to this?????????

[runsglass]

2008-2009 Step 23 with Masters = $61,050
2009-2010 Step 24 with Masters = $ 56,510

This is a $4540 cut in pay. New steps are added. There are serious problems with the proposed salary schedule. I hope the bargaining committee is aware.The Bargaining Committee is surely aware. Remember, these are the salaries proposed by the district. Oh, and BTW, didn't they start with a proposal for something like a 5% reduction?

[seachange]

I want the 2007-2008 scale, please.

According to the pay information available through Employee Self-Service, the administrative proposal IS what I will be earning this year. My last year's information has been replaced....

Bargaining, anyone?!

[smile]

I just checked on the Employee Self-Service and my salary has been changed to reflect the $4500 decrease according to the administrative proposal. What is going on?

[pemom]

Level 17 with a masters - 1,840 less. I would have to be on the proposed level 20 to make the same salary that I made 2 years ago. This sucks.

[Silencedogood]

I checked my salary on employee self service, I am top of scale masters -- salary for this coming year is listed as $61,760. My salary for last year was $62,050 -- in doing the math it is exactly $290 less, equivalent to the loss of funds from the referendum. I am guessing, the district implemented what they said they would do -- reduce our salaries based on referendum funding. That is why PCTA filed a grievance and a law suite -- over unfair labor practices. I hope PCTA prevails.

I recommend if you are a PCTA member and in doing your math the amount is greater than $290, call PCTA and inform them.

[KidsComeFirst]

Mine is exactly $290 less. However....we still have to factor in increased insurance costs and possible furlough days. I can't afford any more!

[smile]

I don't understand why the salary decrease is so uneven. Some people have lost $290. Others have lost $1840. And some have lost as much as $4540! Shouldn't there be a percentage decrease across the board? Apparently, this is not just a proposal. The new salary is posted in the teacher profile.

[sophiaglutz]

When do we vote on this? The contract that got voted in before school was let out was only operational. We were told we would be voting again on the money issue.

[kikk]

Are you all figuring this based on same number of years of experience or are you looking at a step increase? I still do not know if they are giving credit for years of experience or not. Same year to same year was $890 so if I was supposed to get credit for 2 years from the 07-08 scale to the 09-10 scale it is way more than $890!

[Miss]

I don't understand why the salary decrease is so uneven. Some people have lost $290. Others have lost $1840. And some have lost as much as $4540! Shouldn't there be a percentage decrease across the board? Apparently, this is not just a proposal. The new salary is posted in the teacher profile.
Some people are comparing apples with oranges. Using the proposed schedule, any given teacher's salary next year will be $290 less than that same teacher made for 07/08. Some are looking at steps and salaries bargained in other years; those were never guarantees for the future. But it sucks.

[seachange]

Some people are comparing apples with oranges. Using the proposed schedule, any given teacher's salary next year will be $290 less than that same teacher made for 07/08. Some are looking at steps and salaries bargained in other years; those were never guarantees for the future. But it sucks.

Exactly my point: I want the 07/08 pay scale. I would like to see this county move forward. I'd like my pay to move forward, too. Apparently, I have to go backwards for that.

[mermaid]

Difference in salary between new and old contracts...$5,590!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sure you can say no guarantees. Sure you can say I should be glad I have a job.
Bottom line is we are doing more for less. This is an uneven cut.

[mermaid]

The Bargaining Committee is surely aware. Remember, these are the salaries proposed by the district. Oh, and BTW, didn't they start with a proposal for something like a 5% reduction?

Bargaining is a joke. Salary already changed on ESS.

[Retirement]

Question: If the referendum is still in effect until 2013, then why isn't some money going to teacher's salaries. I know property taxes etc is down, but wouldn't something be available? Even $50, $100, $200 would benefit teacher salaries. Is the money going to Technology and reading or is nothing going to PCS? I don't understand how this works?

[mermaid]

PCS just voted to raise the property tax, didn't they?
How much of a cut are the tajites getting? Oh, that's right, they get thousands more.

[Silencedogood]

I think I recall every teachers salary increased by $2,700 (estimated) from referendum funds. They divide the number of teachers into 80% for salaries (20% art, music, technology) and that is how it is decided. For the up coming year there is a reduction in property tax revenues -- 11%, the district reduced teacher referendum portion of salaries by $290.00.

PCS vote first reading to raise property tax by a percentage of a mill -- different from referendum dollars based on property VALUES. The board has to vote two more times before tax rate goes in to place.

I think referendum is in effect until 2011 - 3 years at a time has been renewed once.

Steps, raises are part of the bargaining team -- salary is negotiated, presented to PCTA Executive Board for approval, FR Council for approval, presented for teacher vote on ratification. No increase past two years - upcoming year district has reduced salary by $290.00 per teacher (equalized amount from referendum to each teacher). PCTA files grievance and labor practices law suite on behalf of the entire teacher unit concerning referendum salary reduction. The parties are hammering out the actual salary portion of the contract -- see PCTA web site for ACTION updates. I am not part of any committee but I do understand the process and recommend to any PCTA member who is so inclined to join one of the bargaining committee's.

PS: Without percentage of mill increase the district would be short by millions. My concern is next year? Stimulus money and increasing property tax mill is like finding change in a couch -- what happens when you run out of cushions? The school board needs to sell of properties such as old Tyrone Elementary and other closed sites -- start generating money ahead, reduce administrative costs, transportation costs, travel costs now, before the anvil drops next school year (2010/11). Just my thoughts.

[pemom]

OK, I think I have been reading the salary schedules incorrectly.
I have a masters degree.
2007-2008 I was on step 17 - 47,600
2008-2009 I was on step 18 - 47,600
2009-2010 I will be on step 19 - 47, 310 (proposed)

So our steps have gone up but there has been no money to go with those steps. Now they expect us to take a $290 pay cut.

[Birdie]

I know I've said this before, but I think it needs repeating. In what other career does one work one's way down the ladder of success?

[pemom]

I called the union. They are not settling for anything at this point.

The school district is being a big bully - they need some bully training.

[Birdie]

I called the union. They are not settling for anything at this point.

The school district is being a big bully - they need some bully training.

Call OPS.

[pemom]

I'm posting a reply in private.

[Natasha]

About the selling the properties..this is what I was told.
Funny how I asked a question about selling Kings Hwy and North Ward just today. Anyway...since PCS is a not for profit organization, they can only sell property for its original cost. Dang! Not knowing what the NWE property cost wayyyyy back when, I can't imagine not getting more than that original amount! PCS would have to petition the state to change the rule.

[Birdie]

About the selling the properties..this is what I was told.
Funny how I asked a question about selling Kings Hwy and North Ward just today. Anyway...since PCS is a not for profit organization, they can only sell property for its original cost. Dang! Not knowing what the NWE property cost wayyyyy back when, I can't imagine not getting more than that original amount! PCS would have to petition the state to change the rule.

That makes no cents at all! So selling them at 1950's pricing. Shoot, I'll take them both. Consider them sold!

[lovehate]

Sounds like PCS should have started petitioning the state when they first started planning to close schools!

How about this.....they sell the properties to the education foundation for their original cost. The education foundation then sells them for a nice profit and gifts the difference to PCS........?????

[Silencedogood]

Wait, this sale of property thing doesn't make sense! Remember when the district and city of St. Pete were toying with the idea of converting Euclid Center into "affordable" housing for school board employees? How were they going to pull that transition off? There was no mention of 1920 prices! Something doesn't sound right -- there is probably work involved that the district chooses not to do it? The old Mirror Lake middle school (original St. Pete HS) was sold to a developer and turned into condo;s. What gives? :hiya:

[Natasha]

I was told this information by someone at school today.

[Birdie]

I was told this information by someone at school today.

That's why they get paid the big bucks. ;)

[Ron]

About the selling the properties..this is what I was told.
Funny how I asked a question about selling Kings Hwy and North Ward just today. Anyway...since PCS is a not for profit organization, they can only sell property for its original cost. Dang! Not knowing what the NWE property cost wayyyyy back when, I can't imagine not getting more than that original amount! PCS would have to petition the state to change the rule.

Property owned by a public entity has to be sold at an arms length transaction. It has an appraisal value and must be sold at current prices, just like eminent domain. If they are pulling this stunt, it sounds like a scam!

[teach1st]

Pinellas superintendent declares impasse with union

http://blogs.tampabay.com/schools/2009/07/pinellas-superintendent-declares-impasse-with-union.html

[Silencedogood]

Interesting. Isn't this the second impasse under the tenure of Janssen? How many impasse's over the past 30 years? None that I can recall! PCTA pushes back regarding board action on referendum funds and impasse declared. Push back on 7 period day and impasse declared. Am I seeing a trend developing -- her way or impasse? What is the district process for declaring impasse? Can Janssen do it on her own? Does she require board approval? If the board approved it, why? Could it be they don't think PCTA will push back? Does Janssen think PCTA will roll over and play dead at her feet? I wonder what the rest of the story is?

[Birdie]

Pinellas superintendent declares impasse with union

http://blogs.tampabay.com/schools/2009/07/pinellas-superintendent-declares-impasse-with-union.html

There were some good comments, but there are still those numb skulls that will never understand. The comments about "you knew what it paid before you went into it..." were repeated throughout. We went into into it knowing we would gradually make a decent living (after about 20 years) but now they are breaching that. To go two years without a raise, and now losing money, and COL increases and insurance increases, we are way behind what the expected salary was going to be.

Thanks to the person who pointed out that our summer, Christmas, Thanksgiving, and spring breaks are unpaid. That we have that our salaries spread to cover those days.

[teach one]

Correction my salary is 54,330...I was dreaming when I wrote the topped out pay!!!!! smile - so that makes the 71,000 in Broward more painful as the years of experience are the same.

Don't cha think that by the district's actions and the tremendous loss of Jade that the district is being opportunistic in attempting to silence the union? These impasses are pretty expensive aren't they???

[HOPE]

Interesting. Isn't this the second impasse under the tenure of Janssen? How many impasse's over the past 30 years? None that I can recall! PCTA pushes back regarding board action on referendum funds and impasse declared. Push back on 7 period day and impasse declared. Am I seeing a trend developing -- her way or impasse? What is the district process for declaring impasse? Can Janssen do it on her own? Does she require board approval? If the board approved it, why? Could it be they don't think PCTA will push back? Does Janssen think PCTA will roll over and play dead at her feet? I wonder what the rest of the story is?



It certainly seems like - her (Janssen) way or the highway.

[pemom]

Is it Janssen or Stone who is making these decisions?

[b2kingman]

Stone is the Dick Cheney of PCS

[Natasha]

Stone is the Dick Cheney of PCS

=) Good one!

[HOPE]

Is it Janssen or Stone who is making these decisions?


The buck stops with Janssen.

[teach one]

Stone is the Dick Cheney of PCS


|yay|

[Silencedogood]

There is no state law, statue, mandate preventing the school board from selling property at prevailing value. The only entity preventing such a sale is the school board. The board could sell off property and proceeds could go into general fund, thereby generating revenue for their rainy day reserves, salaries, etc. I suspect in addition to schools closed, the board is sitting on a lot of real-estate which could be sold, developed and turned into taxable property. Instead, teachers will face pay reductions, furloughs, and who knows what other injustices when school starts. Administrative top tier is expanded, plenty of money for that but not a nickel for raises. Go figure. :*|